A lot of these traditional marriage beliefs also have to do with children. People who are against same-sex marriage, believe children should think when they grow up they will get married, they should not have to think, am I going to marry a boy or a girl? Children today face enough sexual confusion without adding that.
When it comes to raising children, most people who are pro traditional marriage believe that two men can not replace 1 good mother’s role in a (boy or girl) child’s development, and believe two women can not replace 1 good father’s role in a (boy or girl) child’s development. I don’t think two men could replace my mother and give me the things my mother gave me, and I don’t think two women could replace my father and give me the things my father gave me, and that’s how most of the people who are against gay marriage feel. Thinking men and women both have different, but equally important qualities, is legit.
The argument is some homosexuals believe in same sex marriage, since gays are discriminated against they feel we should redefine marriage, because they feel it is their civil right to have their relationships honored in the law, they use Loving vs. Virginia (the 1967 supreme court case where interracial marriage was legalized) as a point of reference, and they feel not giving it to them is a violation of their civil rights, but the same argument could be said for Muslims and polygamy.
Some Muslims believe in polygamy, since Muslims are discriminated against should we redefine marriage to where polygamy is legal for consenting adults, because they feel it is their civil right to have their relationships honored in the law, they use Loving vs. Virginia as a point of reference, and they feel not giving it to them is a violation of their civil rights? When people use the separate but equal Loving vs. Virgina case, as an argument to pervert the definition of marriage of man and wife, to man and man or woman and woman, what’s to stop people from using the same argument to deviate further to man, woman and woman or woman, man and man?
The legitimacy of the arguments heterosexuals and homosexuals, have against polygamy in consenting adults, are equivalent to the legitimacy of arguments heterosexuals who are against same sex marriage have. Heterosexuals who are against same sex marriage can be labeled hateful bigots, and as having an irrational fear of homosexuals (homophobic) and by the same logic, the same way, homosexuals and heterosexuals who do not support polygamy can be labeled hateful bigots, and as having an irrational fear of polygamists, the labels in both cases are equivalent in their validity or lack thereof.
There was a church in California covered on CNN that gay protesters were going after because they would not marry 2 homosexuals, a couple months before prop 8 passed. People that are against same sex marriage recognize that if gay marriage is legalized in the United States nationwide, Church’s will be legally required to marry gay couples or they can be sued, loose their licenses and loose their tax exempt status. Teacher’s who teach Human development will be legally required to include gay sex in their curriculum, even if they don’t believe in it, or they’ll loose their job, both instances would be reprehensible. People say same sex marriage is none of straight people’s business, but both of those cases are very much the business of heterosexuals.
For those of you who want to just resort to name calling and personal insults, (because I present a respectful, civil, and legitimate argument) without articulating a response, just leave your stupid comment and move on.|||People use the same arguments against interracial marriage that were used 50 years ago. (God didn't intend the races to mix... to be short... the argument was)
No church has been forced to marry homosexuals. You can get a license in court. The issue was that they denied business for a commitment ceremony, not a marriage.
If you bring up the argument of children... you are might as well ban having children outside of marriage, because you're saying the exact same thing.
The real thing is that the issue of gay-marriage is like the issue of interracial marriage. No one who is against interracial marriage was alright with the relationship, let alone the marriage. You're against the relationship itself, that's your problem and why you are a bigot.
You might as well make being gay illegal... which you can't do, since sex of any type between two consenting adults is their own business.
If you don't support gay marriage, don't marry someone who is gay. If you're neighbors were gay, how would it make any difference to you if they were married or not.
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You're the one who brought up the issue of child-raising. With saying...
"I don’t think two men could replace my mother ..."
My whole point is, you are talking about the issues of a mother and father. When it's not a requirement to have both, much less many people don't.
"because It hasn't been legalized nationwide yet"
You were talking about a commitment ceremony, which all they wanted to do was lease the land their church owned, which they do to hetero couples as well, the problem was they broke a law by denying them because they were gay. A Catholic church can refuse to marry someone of a different belief, no one is forcing ANY church to marry anyone.
"Your putting words in my mouth just the way you put artificial facts in your head"
You can't tell me it's okay for people to be gay and you simply don't want them to be married. You'd be lying if you don't approve of their relationship.
"Once again I did not suggest that you did"
And you could actually share what you think there instead of saying that's not what you suggested, though whether two people are married or not doesn't change how you live your life.
"and you are using the same argument muslims who believe in poligamy can use, I notice you ignore most of the post that refutes your Loving vs. Virginia argument"
Loving v. Virginia was deemed unconstitutional due to restriction on race. My point is that your religion does not make the laws of a secular nation. Just because your god doesn't approve of something, doesn't mean you're going to impede on the rights of others. That's exactly why slavery existed. It was okay, because we never gave them rights in the first place.
The rights of a minority should never be voted on by the majority.
"Fine, call it civil unions and not marriage, my marriage is between a man and a woman, and they are trying to pervert that"
Separate is not equal, we already know that. The real problem is that we are a secular nation, not a theocracy. Your religion doesn't make our laws. That's what you're talking about when you say perversion. Maybe you just don't want to drink from the same water fountain as gays, so you rather give them a separate water fountain.
"Christians are not considered minorities but Muslims are considered minorities, And once again you ignore how I pointed out that race and gender are not the same"
Race and gender are not the same, but sexism and racism are both bigotry. Christians are the majority by numbers, but as I said, the majority doesn't get to make whatever laws they please to enforce on everyone else.
"So are boy scouts and girls scouts separate but equal as well? When I say pervert, I mean the dictionary definition of “to lead astray”"
So suddenly your marriage is not special to you anymore because gays can marry too? And no, boy scouts and girl scouts are not equal, boy scouts don't allow gays and atheists into their organization.
"That’s laughable, considering I never said that, and what would you know about drinking from a separate fountain?"
Just seems to me you think if you're sharing something with people who you deem as less than yourself somehow ruins it for you.
I still bet you can't honestly say it's okay for someone to be gay, just not okay for them to marry.|||22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)
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|||They are not the same thing at all. I wish you people would get over this and get a life - your own. This is a very slanted piece of writing on your part. I stopped reading halfway through.|||They are not the same at all. I feel sad for the African Americans and other racial minorites who had to put up with this comparison.|||There not the same they use interracial marriage, because they have no other argument.|||Here's how they are the same: it's two people getting married.|||they arent the same. i didnt bother readin ur book.|||Both involve 2 consenting adult citizens to enter into a social contract to make each other next of kin.
anything else is irrelevant social convention and up to personal definition and so legally invalid|||Holy crap, just delete this question already...
I don't understand why you're arguing so much with these people, they clearly just disagree with you and you can't change their mind, so just have your own opinion, share it with others, and let them decide what to think.
Personally, I don't have a problem with any kind of marriage, because marriage isn't even that important. All it is is a piece of paper that says that this man/woman is your partner, and it's not even permanent, people get divorced all the time, so why even bother having marriage at all?
And by the way, Muslims aren't the only people who practice polygamy. Look at Mormons.
And it is definitely okay for someone to be gay. If there is a God, I'm sure he wanted his people to be happy loving whoever the hell they want to love.
Man you people piss me off.|||Whatever happened to asking a question. You could have posted this on a blog somewhere for the same effect and might have even had a healthy debate.
To answer your one line question though Interracial marriage is just as normal as normal marriage. It's been in practice long before America was founded and won't stop anytime soon. Those who don't embrace it will only find themselves lost in the times, regardless of which generation they belong to.
As for Gays....personally I disagree with same sex marriage. The very definition of marriage has changed because of it if you ask me. However to each his own I don't hold anything against them. I would say that resorting to calling people bigots is a very immature way of getting your point across. You are no different than the people that belittle those homosexuals that would stand up for their marriage. I personally think you are intolerant of the rest of the world. I have a suggestion for ya though. From 1500-1800 when people wanted to escape persecution they left and headed west. You could leave yourself if you don't like how things are. Maybe to a country that's even less tolerant of your beliefs. You have no idea just how good you have it. Flaunting your freedoms and demanding more. You really need to let things go.|||There are parallels between interracial and gay marriage. In reality, it hasn't been long since interracial marriage was considered legal. Racism is still alive and strong. A lot of your points are simply unsupported. In my view, marriage should be between two consenting adults, preferably those who actually love each other. Take all the religious aspects out of gay marriage and make it a union. Common points I hear against gay marriage but I can make legitimate arguments against:
1. Gay marriage will lead to marriage with other animals: Not until they are the same species.
2. Gay marriage will lead to polygamy: Again, marriage or a union is between two adults.
3. Gays cannot propagate: First off, we are decreasing in fertility rates as determined by the availability of resources. People will mate with a lot of resources and won't when resources are limited. By 2050, the population is expected to reach about 9 to 11 billion people. We need less people to mate. Furthermore, should all other heterosexuals who can't mate such as steril individuals or people with deleterious genes (such as Huntingtons) be prohibited from marriage? We allow those people to freely marry even if there would be a problem with their genes.
3. Gays cannot be an ideal family: The divorce rates in this country are up to 50 percent. Until we make marriage permanent, then citing anything that gays cannot make as good of a family as a straight family is ridiculous.
4. Gays will ruin the sanctity of marriage: What about Anna Nicole, Britney Spears, Bristol Palin...what are the legitimacies of their marriages or near marriages? And for that fact, how will someone elses marriage ruin your marriage?
Ultimately, gays just want to be recognized and recieve all the benefits that heterosexual couples receive. They don't want to ruin your marriage. They don't want to make laws making people marry animals.
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